I have linked to your web site.  See guidetofun.com.

I have been to J4 one time.  When we came out of the cave the descent from the corrugated pipe was wet and slippery.  Luckedly a very large comprade helped me down.

Cheers.

George McGimsey

Yeah, the descent on the way out of J4 can be tricky.  Doing it in the snow was pretty treacherous.

I checked out guidetofun.com but I didn’t see a link to nodivisions.com.  I used the search box, and I also manually searched the caving page.

excellent album of J4, i went about 3 times from 1998 to 2005 while at Juniata College.  i miss going there, and despite the pictures being great, you can NOT get a sense of how small, insignificant, and crowded you are until you are in the cave yourself.  there is a pic in the album of the guy disappearing as he is leaving the cave and bellying under a rock.  until your in the cave, you cant tell someone there is 100 feet of solid rock above you and experience the awe of the cave as you crawl through.  never been caving before or after J4 but it is definitely an experience I will never forget the rest of my life.  thanks Todd and Patrick for taking me there!