Get out of our country

In response to the original message, I just want to say, there are many people in America who don’t understand the harsh realities of life. Some of them fool themselves because they live the good life in suburbia, some fool themselves because they are uneducated and in poverty and want to hide the truth from themselves.

Maybe I haven’t had a hard life, and don’t understand reality as well as I could.  But I’m open to the truth.

You complain about Americans.  *I* want to include Europeans in the complaint.  As a Usenet addict, I have seen most intelligent European posters in the newsgroups I read spouting off this condemnation of the US.  Why can’t they understand that fighting for something better is the right way, and preserving the status quo may be comfortable for them but achieves nothing?!?  Even the good life they live came at a price, for example, some American lives in WWII.

Look Anthony I don’t think Saddam is some kind of holy ghost or anything or that his actions are justifiable but we don’t know and will never come to understand the ramafications our actions deal. Yes we do have to fight but with our hearts and our actions of kindness, Jesus said he could teach by his examples.  What do we teach with ours, killing, m-16’s handed out to little kids villages grenaded during Vietnam.  Pardon my language but war is [oops]ed up we don’t know who we’re killing and what happens to a young mind when faced with that thought.  Sure Saddam has to be stopped and the threat must be eliminated but there will be more threats because the way we act, arrogant, cocky, our feelings were hurt people died we want revenge well killing a million more won’t bring them back.  I like how you consider me a coward because you think I won’t fight.  Then i am coward because i won’t kill some one because they way some flag in my face and say shoot in my book people don’t die in vain unless you let them. NOt an Idealist just maybe the last person left who crazy enough to hold on to hope because I can imagine a better world, with better people and better concerns not just for your country men but for any living thing that has a soul.

From the State of the Union address:

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The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax -- enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn’t accounted for that material. He’s given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin -- enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure. He hadn’t accounted for that material. He’s given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands. He’s not accounted for these materials. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them -- despite Iraq’s recent declaration denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He’s given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce germ warfare agents, and can be moved from place to a place to evade inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He’s given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.
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The purpose of the weapons Saddam is collecting is to quickly kill massive amounts of people. The purpose of this war is to prevent that.

Kaiser: number one, stop being a sensationalist. Number two, stop changing the subject.  And number three, post under your own name.  It only makes your ridiculous post look more ridiculous when you post anonymously.

The fact is that Saddam is amassing weapons of mass destruction and has refused all attempts at a diplomatic resolution of this conflict.  Sure, the French support him because they make money off of the oppression of the Iraqi people due to their economic policies with Iraq, but the French aren’t amassing weapons.  Neither are the Canadians nor the Australians.  So while you change the subject and avoid the issues, Iraq continues to develop weapons technology.

Just a few things to say here...First, if you don’t like the way our country runs then do something to change it instead of constantly whining about how it isn’t fair and we have no say. You may also want to look up the history of the Electoral College and understand why it was instituted in the first place (I promise you it is a good reason!).  Second of all, if you don’t like America then simply get the heck out.  You have the choice, unlike some other people, like say those in Iraq, to pack up and move you butts elsewhere.  Third of all, do you see Americans sitting as part of the Afghan government?  Right, I didn’t think so, so don’t talk about America as if this were the Imperial Age.  I will tell you what makes you a coward and it is not fighting.  You live in a country where you have a right to choice and where you have a right to a voice.  You take this for granted everyday and that can be seen in your lack of support for bringing that same right (which truly is a right) to everyone around the world.  If you really envisioned a better world, would it not be one of freedom and choice?  What’s more, we are talking Idealism here.  The simplr truth is there will always be evil people with evil intents and we can’t just let them reign free on the earth infringing on human rights.  Open your eyes, what are you going to do say "Oh, please stop killing your people!"  I dare you to go over and try that, when they bring your body back, if they bring your body back, (you know, after Saddam shoots you in the head just like he has done to all those who oppose him, including family members) I will say I told you so!  I have been quoted by Anthony before for saying this (and yes, I am going to say it again)...If we don’t go to war and Saddam drops a nuke on the US, then I have only one prayer...it is the families of the people who opposed the war that suffer the greatest...John Paul and Kaiser, that means you and your families!  I am willing to fight to keep my family safe, if you are not that may it be your families that suffer!

I need to say one more thing.  There are thousands of men and women out there protecting this country 24/7, more then you could hope to know.  So you know what, while you are sitting here taking you and your families safety and security for granted, stop and think about those people out there.  How ungrateful can you be!?  Have a little respect for those that are doing you a great service.  You know what, as a matter of fact, I feel you are a huge disgrace to this counrty the way you just want to sit there and talk crap on freedom and democracy, when so many people have died and continue to give their lives for it and you.  Let me reiterate on more time, HAVE A LITTLE RESPECT!!!

ok, just chiming in a lil bit here. personally, i don’t support a war with iraq.  i’m not anti-war, i may be anti-government, but the jury is still undecided on that one.  i just don’t believe that saddam/iraq poses that much of a threat to our country, and if he does, i don’t believe his threat is as great as the one that is currently posed by north korea, who is more openly against the US, and has said that it has nuclear capabilities.  i think our guns are trained at the wrong country personally.  but then, what do we get outta north korea?  not much, in fact, im sure we get some things out of it, but not as much oil as we do from the middle east, and we need to protect our "assests".