Apparently, my friend Steve (not to be confused with Steev, who posts here often) did some research into Scientology a while back. He IMed me right after I created this post. Here’s the conversation:
Steve: ahaha, I just read your post on your board about scientology
Steve: from what I understand, they also believe that people can basically become gods (they call them "operating thetans", I think)
Anthony: that’s handy
Steve: l. ron hubbard wrote about going to other planets after you die
Steve: and they have trained hypnotists in their churches, I forget what they call them
Steve: but he said that in one of his own hypnosis sessions, he found out that most people used to be clams in their former lives
Anthony: CLAMS??
Steve: because he would pinch his fingers together over and over, and the people under hypnosis would feel pain
Anthony: does l ron hubbard == john paul??
Steve: I’m telling it, it’s the weirdest thing ever
Steve: telling you, I mean
Anthony: haha
Anthony: well it’s good to know that it’s as bad as I always imagined
Steve: a lot of times, people online call is $cientology
Anthony: what, you have to pay or something?
Steve: because it costs literally tens of thousands of dollars to undergo the therapy sessions
Anthony: you have to get therapy??
Steve: to complete the entire program costs near a million, or it used to
Anthony: I thought you just "found your own truths" or something
Steve: a lot of actors are scientologists
Steve: well, you can
Anthony: yeah, I knew lots of actors were
Steve: but they encourage you to go to sessions
Anthony: heck, I bet they do
Anthony: l ron hubbard is a genius
Steve: oh my god
Anthony: invent a religion and market it to movie stars
Steve: I just remembered, he also has a big story about some evil alien coming to earth a long time ago
Steve: ahahaha, I’ve got to find this again
Steve: I think it’s his version of the beginning of life on earth
Steve: it’s hilarious
Steve: but he’s dead serious about it
Anthony: send me in when you find it
Steve: ok
Steve: ahaha
Steve: it’s called "auditing"
Steve: A person receiving auditing is called a preclear — from pre-Clear, a person not yet Clear. A preclear is a person who, through auditing, is finding out more about himself and life.
Anthony: man, you’re like a scientology treature trove.... this dialogue is getting posted in its entirety
Steve: a long time ago I read about so many religions, especially satanism and scientology
Steve: a whole lot
Anthony: auditing... sounds shadily like a government scheme to get money
Steve: doesn’t it?
Anthony: yeah....... what does satanism say?
Steve: they changed the scientology home page a lot, but I think the info might still be there about that alien
Steve: what does satanism say about what?
Steve: it says a lot of stuff
Anthony: I mean in general, what’s it’s deal
Steve: well
Steve: if I remember right, they’ve got a 9 or 11 point code
Steve: like the commandments
Anthony: distinctly not 10
Steve: yes
Steve: I think they have a primary code and a secondary
Steve: and I think they’re 11 and 9
Steve: seriously, everything levay wrote about was anti-christian
Steve: he went out of his way to make christians look bad
Anthony: is there anything original or sensible in it, or is it purely a response to Christianity?
Steve: some of them were "don’t hurt animals or small children", but others were "if someone disrespects you in your own house, treat him cruelly and without mercy"
Steve: some of it is sensible and original, but a lot of it is completely ridiculous
Steve: they believe that people are gods
Steve: and that ’satan’ is a representation of the dark power in all people
Anthony: that’s not original
Steve: and that you can cast spells by focusing on your own power
Anthony: that’s just the opposite of the Christian belief of God in each Christian
Steve: no it’s not, but I think church of satanism in its entirety is mostly original
Steve: I mean, he steals a lot from christianity
Steve: but the whole thing put together wasn’t done before I don’t think
Steve: ahaha, more from scientology: Auditing is assisted by use of a religious artifact which helps the auditor and preclear locate areas of spiritual distress or travail.
Anthony: yeah, ok, I meant unoriginal as in, it’s (primarily/largely) a response to something else rather than it’s own invention
Steve: yes, mostly
Steve: but the whole spellcasting thing I think is pretty original
Anthony: well, but the bible forbids sorcery and such... there were people making similar claims for a long time
Anthony: when did satanism start?
Steve: I think it was in the 60s
Steve: when he wrote the satanic bible
Anthony: oh yeah, I guess that would do it
Steve: it’s not satanism like "devil worshipping"
Steve: it’s like "church of satan"ism
Steve: that’s what they call the organization, the church of satan
Anthony: but don’t they hold the devil to be the big powerful boss guy?
Steve: they don’t believe in the devil, or any deity
Anthony: but you said "and that ’satan’ is a representation of the dark power in all people"
Steve: yea, they try to use the old notion of satan as some vastly power evil being as a misunderstanding
Steve: and instead, ’satan’ is really just something in humanity
Steve: some power that every human has inside him
Steve: or her
Steve: and that’s what you use to cast spells
Steve: vastly powerful, I meant
Anthony: oh, I see
Steve: I wish I could remember that alien’s name, I can’t find that story
Anthony: man, that would be good
Steve: it’s great
Steve: ahahaha
Steve: I found it
Steve: hahahahaa
Anthony: send!
Steve: http://www.scientology-kills.org/Alien_Tales/alien_tales.htm
Anthony: Teegeeack !
Steve: hahaha
Anthony: this writing style is hard to follow... what the heck is even going on here
Steve: I’m trying to find a better one
Steve: I think those are notes from hubbard
Anthony: notes, as in, this whole article?
Anthony: or just the bottom
Steve: I think the thing in yellow is a satire
Steve: the rest of them are written by hubbard
Steve: in dianetics, and some other books
Steve: oh wait
Steve: no, the thing in yellow isn’t a satire
Anthony: Operation Clambake!
Steve: that’s part of hubbard’s story about that alien
Steve: ahaha
Steve: his name was Xemu, or Xenu
Steve: he invaded earth with hydrogen bombs and destroyed almost the entire population
Steve: The universe was not created by a single supreme being _ex nihilo_ (out of nothing), thus having a separate existence of its own. Instead, the Scientology universe constitutes a subjective, mental emanation or "projection" of the thetans, having merely an agreed-upon (and not actual) reality. Thus, the entire physical universe is a Game, a product of thetan ingenuity (designed for escaping boredom) which apparently emanates from an original thetan consensus to "create" in pre-history.[13]
Anthony: I was just going to say that
Steve: http://bible.ca/scientology-explained-simple-cri.htm
Steve: there is so much ridiculous stuff
Steve: I stopped reading about it back then because it was so overwhelmingly ridiculous
Steve: it just doesn’t end
Anthony: good call
Steve: eheh, yup
Steve: all right I’m gonna go eat
Steve: save up your money so you can be an operating thetan
Anthony: ok, thanks for the info..... yeah, will do
Anthony: can’t wait, in fact
Steve: sounds great
Anthony: see you on the other side
Steve: haha
Steve: later
